Morning Worship Sunday 6th September - St Therese

[keitha]

Fair point SC. Of course, if the office rite of morning prayer had been followed, there would have been that structure. If the final hymn and the 'Child of Grace' song had been cut (I don't think either added much in a liturgical sense) the sermon and the piece about little Emily could have been accommodated within that structure and time.

[johnquinn39]

I could also give an example of a parish that's "gone choral" and the congregation has halved in number because of that. Let's leave Melanie to vote with her feet and attend her radio 3 worship where she wills.

Which parish is this? (perhaps the answer would be better in a PM)

Perhaps moving on to another thread, but I feel that it cannot be ignored that some musicians seem determined to ignore all of the music since V2, and start again using plainsong and polyphony. Others seem determined to ignore all of the music since V2 (and plainsong and polyphony) and start again with the CCM genre.

Back on topic - I see nothing wrong with strumming guitars. For example, at my parish, a version of the 'Running deer' psalm (comm. antiphon) was accompanied with a single guitar. This was very prayerful, and some people, including me, joined in with the singing at the communion procession.

Also, IMHO, Marty Haugen' s 'All you works of God' would be ideal with strummed guitars.

[mcb]

...think I'll go into a quiet room with Tallis and spem in alium in an attempt to recover my sanity.

Not much chance of the room being quiet if they're singing Spem in Alium in it! Not much chance of good liturgy going on, either, IMHO.

I certainly wouldn't sign up for the banning of guitars. The test has to be: does this musical stye, this musical instrument, support prayer? In the liturgical context, do they support public, collective prayer? I've had plenty of experiences where guitars have done just that.

[johnquinn39]

I certainly wouldn't sign up for the banning of guitars. The test has to be: does this musical stye, this musical instrument, support prayer? In the liturgical context, do they support public, collective prayer? I've had plenty of experiences where guitars have done just that.

Amen

[docmattc]

We are in danger of straying from the topic (a specific broadcast) to more generalities of musical style. Interesting though that discussion is, its not the subject of this thread.

[johnquinn39]

My Song of Today and Child of Grace capture the simplicity of St Thérèse and will help all pilgrims pray more deeply. CJM Music have captured the spirit of the visit of the Relics of St Thérèse in words and music. I am sure that they will be used in our churches long after the Relics have left our shores."

I would venture that His Lordship is wrong. these pieces are unlikely to be used in our churches long after the Relics have left our shores.

Firstly, the solo ballad is not well suited to congregational singing.
Secondly, their liturgical function is somewhat limited.
Thirdly, CJM copyright is, I understand, covered through the Christian Copyright Licensing International scheme rather than Calamus, adding a further inaccessibility to the pieces.

OK, hopefully back on topic;-

No one knows how long any song is going to last. Many (songs) are called, few are chosen. I personally found the songs appealing (I love the pop/rock idiom). His Lordship may be right.

On first hearing, to me anyway, the song 'Eagles wings' came over as a solo ballad. However, congregations often chime in with all of this.

Agreed, their liturgical function may be limited, but surely they were more intended as devotional items?

As far as I know the copyright is also covered by Calamus. (Please check with Sue Dean, because I may be wrong).

Good songs will always be accessible whatever the copyright - At my parish we have a hymn supplement volume prepared by the music group, with copyright clearance going to the appropriate company/individual.