Next Saturday sees the anniversary of my return to Norfolk. During that year I've probably attended Mass around 80 or 90 times in about 8 or 9 churches. In that time I've not once heard Eucharistic Prayer I in English (I did attend just one indult Mass - apologies to anybody offended by that - so of course the Roman Canon was said in Latin on that occasion, but then I didn't hear it either!!!).
Anyway, I just wondered how long you can go in the Catholic Church these days without hearing the words "We come to you, Father, with praise and thanksgiving, through Jesus Christ....". If you're anywhere near as sad as me, and can be bothered, would you post a quick message on this thread the next time you hear Eucharistic Prayer I?
Canons to the left of them...
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docmattc
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Not EPI, but I heard the Eucharistic Prayer for reconciliation on Saturday night. The sermon was all about going to confession and the mortal nature of the sin of gossip, (hence, I presume, the EP). Initially I guessed it was because of the middle east, but then I remembered the sermon (memory span only slightly longer than that of a goldfish!)
Most of the congregation spent at least half of the EP scrabbling through their Mass books getting increasingly confused that they couldn't find the words Father was saying printed in front of them. I confess I spent a similar amount of time being amused by watching them from the organ.
Can't remember when I last heard the Roman Canon, but its certainly not been more than a year ago. Probably around Easter.
Most of the congregation spent at least half of the EP scrabbling through their Mass books getting increasingly confused that they couldn't find the words Father was saying printed in front of them. I confess I spent a similar amount of time being amused by watching them from the organ.
Can't remember when I last heard the Roman Canon, but its certainly not been more than a year ago. Probably around Easter.
Re: Canons to the left of them...
Reginald wrote:If you're anywhere near as sad as me, and can be bothered, would you post a quick message on this thread the next time you hear Eucharistic Prayer I?
I'm sure I'm vastly sadder, and I can produce three witnesses in the form of disdainful children. Anyway, we had EP I this morning in my home parish. I'm sure we have it often enough for it not to be particularly noticeable at my regular haunt, viz. Salford Cathedral. The one that stands out for me is number four - the rousing beginning always strikes a chord with me because we seem to hear it so seldom.
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St Bartholemew today, so we had the full EP 1 this morning, with all the saints. Our PP uses it for all apostles and relevant saints.
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pirate
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Last night, perfectly bog-standard Saturday evening Mass in a small market town in the Midlands - the PP paused, gathered us all together with a look round, and began: 'We come to you, Father...'
Oh, good, I thought, Reginald will be pleased!
The parish I used to be in used 1, 2 and 3 on a rota; occasionally the assistant priest would sneak in 4 because he loved it so much. Very occasionally we might get one of the EPs for reconciliation. Never any for children, although I suppose they might have cropped up in school. But school masses are another thread entirely!
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Oh, good, I thought, Reginald will be pleased!
The parish I used to be in used 1, 2 and 3 on a rota; occasionally the assistant priest would sneak in 4 because he loved it so much. Very occasionally we might get one of the EPs for reconciliation. Never any for children, although I suppose they might have cropped up in school. But school masses are another thread entirely!
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As part of a research project I'm engaged in I spent a day last week reading ageing ad clerum letters from a diocese that shall remain nameless to protect the innocent. At the point that the other Eucharistic prayers became available the Bishop went to great lengths to remind the clergy that they were not intended to replace the Roman Canon but to supplement it. He specifically reminded the clergy that for Sundays and Hs of Ob they should be using I and III. He also went on to suggest a system of alternating months to ensure that I and III were used equally! 
On the subject of Gwyn's Mass in the lingua angelorum the same bishop insisted well into the '70s that all parishes with 3 or more Sunday Masses should have at least one that is new rite exclusively in Latin, and at least one Mass during the week - parishes with less than 3 Sunday Masses were to ensure that they had at least one per month. The fact that he had to reiterate the point at least twice per year for nearly 10 years suggests that his clergy may not have been so enthusiastic about the retention of the Latin. As one of the Bishops involved in Vatican II it would seem safe to assume that he knew what he thought Sacrosanctum Concilium meant...
Anyway, still waiting for EP I - and over the last couple of weeks I've made a point of going to places where I thought they might end my drought.
On the subject of Gwyn's Mass in the lingua angelorum the same bishop insisted well into the '70s that all parishes with 3 or more Sunday Masses should have at least one that is new rite exclusively in Latin, and at least one Mass during the week - parishes with less than 3 Sunday Masses were to ensure that they had at least one per month. The fact that he had to reiterate the point at least twice per year for nearly 10 years suggests that his clergy may not have been so enthusiastic about the retention of the Latin. As one of the Bishops involved in Vatican II it would seem safe to assume that he knew what he thought Sacrosanctum Concilium meant...
Anyway, still waiting for EP I - and over the last couple of weeks I've made a point of going to places where I thought they might end my drought.
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EP 1
Maybe it's something to do with old haunts, but having returned to my 'growing up' church in Birmingham I heard EP1. When I was a kid they would cycle through them week by week, and it seems that while other things have changed, notably a rather elegant gong in place of the more usual altar bells, cycling the Eucharistic Prayer is still the norm (the week before it was EP4). The only bits that were left out were the optional lists of saints etc.
I have to ask - is there some problem with EP1, that it is for some reason spurned by certain clergy? I couldn't see anything untoward.
I have to ask - is there some problem with EP1, that it is for some reason spurned by certain clergy? I couldn't see anything untoward.
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Last eveninig I went to organ-bash for a Votive Mass of Saint Joseph in Monmouth parish church. The parish have had their statue of Saint Joseph holding the infant Christ in his arms repainted.
Dom Anthony of Belmont Abbey was principle celebrant.
"Te igitur, clementissime Pater, per Iesum Christum, Filium tuum, Dominum nostrum, supplices rogamus ac petimus, ... "
The Memorial Acclamation was: "Christus vincit, Vhristus regnat, Christus, Christus imperat" as heard on Vatican radio.
Dom Anthony of Belmont Abbey was principle celebrant.
"Te igitur, clementissime Pater, per Iesum Christum, Filium tuum, Dominum nostrum, supplices rogamus ac petimus, ... "
The Memorial Acclamation was: "Christus vincit, Vhristus regnat, Christus, Christus imperat" as heard on Vatican radio.
Re: EP 1
sidvicius wrote:I have to ask - is there some problem with EP1, that it is for some reason spurned by certain clergy? I couldn't see anything untoward.
Well, a priest I knew in my childhood always referred to it as "the long one".
It's not a generation gap, it's a taste gap.