Weddings in Ireland

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Weddings in Ireland

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Our son got married last week in Dublin and it was interesting to note the differences in the Nuptial Mass. First soloist seems to be there to sing alone and the people remain silent. The Kyrie , Agnus and acclamations were sung but not the Sanctus. On Eagle's wings was chosen as the psalm! The singer sang Panis Angelicus at communion with the most peculiar pronunciation of the Latin. The hymns were "Praise my soul" and "Dear Lord and Father of mankind". The delightful Irish priest who is a hospital chaplain said he did not know the latter but he liked it!
The lighting of candles by the parents and then by the couple was lovely. The bridesmaids entered first (20 minutes late) and the Mendelssohn Wedding march was an odd entrance but a good one as it was a long church and the bride's father was using a walking frame. The couple do not say the vows. They are read to them and they say "I do". A lovely prayer for them to say together once married. All this was in the marriage rite the English bishops submitted to Rome but it was never agreed. Once register was signed we started to line up to leave but photographer had us all being photographed in front of the altar while organist played and played. I would have given up but the scholar from the pro-cathedral David Grealy who is coming to Westminster cathedral carried on ending with the Widor. So the couple did not go out to just the bells, he played it again bless him and I know how tiring that is!. There was a piper outside the church to greet the bride and lead them in at the reception. He played Daisy daisy and everyone sang.
When son and daughter-in-law left the next day the family sang a blessing which was lovely. I was tempted to offer "Wish me luck as you wave me goodbye" which we had out our reception!
This American thing where the bridesmaids come in first - latest wedding I played for Wagner was requested soft for the bridesmaids and then loud for bride and father. Unfortuantely nobody reminded the bride to wait and she started off and I couldn't see from the console so the officiant come up and said Play loud NOW. I have suggested that in future the bridesmaids should come in to a different piece! :D
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Although I am of Irish descent on my father's side, I have never visited Ireland and therefore have no experience if Irish weddings. With no disrespect intended to anyone, I don't think that the haphazard choice as to which parts of the Ordinary were sung was necesarily a local/national tradition, but fairly typical of decisions that are arrived at. I have often been told by wedding couples "we'll say this but sing that...." but my PP and his predecessors (with one exception :evil: ) have been sticklers for prioritising (sp?) what is sung, and I have been able to talk them round. As it was a family wedding, did you not have any input as to the choice of music?

Talking of things that happen, my stepdaughter was married in Nice, France, last year. Her father gave her away and I played (on a Viscount, Psalm Project :lol: )
The timings had been carefully planned, and, as it was not possible to include every hymn that was suggested (English and French - it was a bilingual nuptial mass) it was decided that I would improvise at certain points on specific hymns; when my wife (bride's mother) took her place just before the start, it was to be "Lord Of The Dance". I duly started improvising on LOTD just before the 14.00 start time. Unbeknown to me, the bride had caught her heel in the hem of her dress and torn it, necessitating a return home for repairs. 40 minutes later.......well, how long can you sustain interest in an improvisation?!! :oops: :shock:

Then there was the Anglican wedding I played for 2 Saturdays ago; 16.00 start; bride arrived 40 minutes late! I had an 18.00 mass to play for at my own church which is 20 minutes away. Therefore, at the end of the wedding I played the Mendelssohn, as requested, but only played the bridal party to the door before grabbing my music and leaving to get to mass. Heard later that the bride's mother had complained that I stopped playing and people had had to leave the church in silence........because the bell ringers (who, like me, had been paid....*) HAD GIVEN UP AND GONE HOME! AND I WAS MOANED AT FOR WANTING TO GET AWAY AND IT WASN'T MY FAULT THEY WERE RUNNING LATE!! :?

* (Actually, i am still waiting to be paid!!)
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Posting on behalf of organist who is working hard!! No alas we tried hard to have input!!! Lat year our daughter married with full sung Mass, choir of friends etc. I sang the psalm, something the Irish contingent loved, and although bragging was talked about for ages afterwards. Son insisited he wanted us to be parents of the groom only!!! Eventually I got to do a reading and organist part of bidding prayers. We tried to discourage the entry but that was what they liked!! Actually it is true to say that it is just a march and so could be used anywhere and for anything. Have no idea how the psalm was chosen opr some other "eagle" thing at the register. Never mind becuse everyone had a good time and that's the important thing. it was lovely to have a priest who knew them as well, made it more personal. Yes payment is a sore point with many, but it will come!!!
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organist wrote:Posting on behalf of organist who is working hard!! No alas we tried hard to have input!!! Lat year our daughter married with full sung Mass, choir of friends etc. I sang the psalm, something the Irish contingent loved, and although bragging was talked about for ages afterwards. Son insisited he wanted us to be parents of the groom only!!! Eventually I got to do a reading and organist part of bidding prayers. We tried to discourage the entry but that was what they liked!! Actually it is true to say that it is just a march and so could be used anywhere and for anything. Have no idea how the psalm was chosen opr some other "eagle" thing at the register. Never mind becuse everyone had a good time and that's the important thing. it was lovely to have a priest who knew them as well, made it more personal. Yes payment is a sore point with many, but it will come!!!


I don't think Eagles Wings was inappropriate as the psalm for a wedding (although........"terrors of the night"......hmm... :shock: )
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Love it,,, will think of that when I next have a bad dream.
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organist wrote:Love it,,, will think of that when I next have a bad dream.


Not quite what I was thinking of.... :wink:
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I see the boss has commented too! At least Eagle's wings is better than Crossing the barren desert! I once was asked to play Eagles wings for a wedding and the priest stopped it after verse 1 and said let's not bother nobody is singing! It's actually hard to sing the verses any way! On that occasion everyone was late and the priest offered an alarm clock as a wedding present! One priest I knew said 5 minutes late one hymn goes, 10 minutes late 2 hymns go, 15 minutes late and I go!
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My daughter was bridesmaid at a school friend's wedding in Ireland recently and we watched a webcast of the ceremony; they too had Eagle's Wings as the psalm, said Gloria, Sanctus and Memorial Acclamation and Agnus Dei. The one hymn was "Lord of all hopefulness" sung, like Eagles Wings, alone by the cantor.
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