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Last Sunday, at the Sung Eucharist, an uplifting responsorial psalm was sung with triple Allelulias as a refrain. The service order credited this to 'Fitlan O'Caroll'.

Given that it sounded most unanglican, I wonder if Mr O'Carroll is a contemporary composer for the RC church?
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Hello, edbowie, and welcome to the SSG forum.

According to the Complete Responsorial Psalter, published by McCrimmon, Fintan O'Carroll's psalm settings were published by the Irish Church Music Association/ Irish Institute for Pastoral Liturgy, and copyright is named as Mrs Josephine O'Carroll, 1983, which made me think he may no longer be alive, but it seems he is still writing arrangements for brass bands in Ireland, or was for the millennium.

What you heard was the Celtic Alleluia that, with or without that verse tune, is very widely used and very popular in Catholic parishes.
So widely used in fact that we (I..?) have forgotten how joyful it is....

The other name on the arrangement, Chris Walker, used it first in the US when he was directing the music for Pope John Paul's first visit there, around 1980.

I hope this is helpful.

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Thanks for that.

Very joyful and infectious to the point that it was stirring the reluctant singers in the congregation.

I am familiar with Christopher Walker's music from attending Clifton Cathedral in the 90s. Paul Inwood was another composer whose works were often sung.

I regret that Westminster Cathedral doesn't tap into this rich repetoire of contemporary catholic music.
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edbowie wrote:I regret that Westminster Cathedral doesn't tap into this rich repetoire of contemporary catholic music.

You are not the only one! :cry:

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Surely the Celtic Alleluia is Quadruple, not triple...

I assume the Eucharist at St paul's was the 6.30pm congregational one?
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No, it was the 1130 SE. In July they have Orchestral Eucharists and a RP replaces a hymn for the gradual. I wouldn't be surprised if the O'Carroll was also included in the 1800 Eucharist.

Quite Amazing. I sat and listened to Haydn's Nelson Mass and it's the O'Carroll that has been rattling around in my head all week. And yes, it was quadruple.
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Re Westminster Cathedral. We obviously should be proud of the choir which sings a mainly polyphonic repertoire at Solemn Mass and Vespers each week.

However, the cantor led masses at the weekend present an opportunity to explore other repertoire. The 5.30pm mass on Sundays is well attended and led by a cantor-not sure of her name-with a beautiful voice.

At Christmas and Eastertide, Mass Eight (where are Roman numerals when you need them?) is sung and at other times Mass Eleven. The latter cannot be regarded as an easy sing even where the service order provides the square notation. As a result hardly anyone sings

How different it could be if the New Peoples Mass or the Coventry Acclamations were sung.
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Westminster cathedral music staff are considering having a people's setting composed for their use - something which reflects the chant tradition. I have submitted various ideas notably Alan Rees's settings for their consideration and they are open to discussion. Celtic Alleluia and Paul Inwood's settings have sometimes been sung at special celebrations.
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Interested to know which of Dom Alan's many Mass settings you have recommended.
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The modal ones - can't remember the titles :oops:
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