The Missal arrives

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Re: The Missal arrives

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In the "GIRM Adjustment" thread Dom P wrote:
I understand that some printing errors in GIRM have been corrected in the Missal (as per Southern Comfort's post), but no fundamental changes have been, or are being made.

If I become aware of any change in this at any time in the future (and I will become aware of any changes) I will immediately post it on this forum.


Where was Peter Jones reading these changes? - is the text "bound in" to the new missal or a separate publication? Are the changes mentioned a comprehensive list, or just ones that are relevant to the current discussion?

Any comment, Dom P?

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quaeritor wrote:Where was Peter Jones reading these changes? - is the text "bound in" to the new missal


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Thank you, Peter - but are the changes you mention a full list, or just a selection that you wished to discuss?

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I understand that the changes have gone a bit further than was expected, but my study edition of the new Missal has not yet arrived When it does (any day now!) I will also be reviewing the version of GIRM contained in it, which is not, so far as I am aware, available separately as yet.
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quaeritor wrote:Thank you, Peter - but are the changes you mention a full list, or just a selection that you wished to discuss?

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I have not sat down with the CTS 2005 edition and the Missal edition in parallel. I particularly wanted to see the changes to the Entrance, Offertory and Communion chant sections, as there had been an intimation that Rome wanted these tidying up. I suppose at some stage, I might sit down with the Latin, CTS 2005 and the Missal versions and go through the lot...... but not this evening.

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By the way - and something of an irritation - the full Altar Missal seems to have a mind of its own and does not wish to remain open at the Offertory Prayers, when placed on a Missal stand. I might have to abandon the stand and lay the book flat on the altar..... or, as I will surely be able to do soon, not turn to this page at all and recite it from memory. The CTS has received many plaudits for producing a beautiful publication. Given the music typesetting reduction and points such as the above - to say nothing of the minefield of finding your way through the introduction and penitential rites (I have found appendix VI now) I am not sure if any of the reviewers have actually used the Missal on an altar.
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Peter Jones wrote:By the way - and something of an irritation - the full Altar Missal seems to have a mind of its own and does not wish to remain open at the Offertory Prayers, when placed on a Missal stand.

Having used my new Chapel Edition for the first time today (in winter my parish takes refuge in a cosy side-chapel with electric heater) I realised that a tab to find the Offertory Prayers was sorely lacking, so perhaps a post it note will discreetly protrude from that page (6 ribbons being just enough for Sunday/Season, Preface, special blessing, alternative EP without tab, saint's day and common).
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Peter Jones wrote:By the way - and something of an irritation - the full Altar Missal seems to have a mind of its own and does not wish to remain open at the Offertory Prayers, when placed on a Missal stand. I might have to abandon the stand and lay the book flat on the altar..... or, as I will surely be able to do soon, not turn to this page at all and recite it from memory. The CTS has received many plaudits for producing a beautiful publication. Given the music typesetting reduction and points such as the above - to say nothing of the minefield of finding your way through the introduction and penitential rites (I have found appendix VI now) I am not sure if any of the reviewers have actually used the Missal on an altar.


Would it be better to have a comb-style binding for the new missal?

Why have expensive binding for something which is likely to be ephemeral?
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Could anyone possibly PM to me the text of the Opening Prayer of the mass for the 2nd Sunday of Advent? Many thanks in advance.

PS - In view of recent "discussion" (I missed whatever it was that happened on Saturday! :x ) I am happy to reveal my identity - Andrew Butler, Organist and DoM at St Andrew's, Tenterden, Kent, Archdiocese of Southwark. Non SSG member! (Pseudonym is a very long story!!)
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What a lovely spot that is!

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Hare wrote:Could anyone possibly PM to me the text of the Opening Prayer of the mass for the 2nd Sunday of Advent? Many thanks in advance.


Have now received this by PM thanks K ! :D
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Musicus comments at http://www.musicus.co.uk/blog — see the Sibelius 7 thread (my WordPress login does not seem to work there, so I am posting here as it seems of interest to this forum too) — that the ICEL music in the Missal is very small (especially in the Study Edition, which has now arrived for those who ordered it), and seems to be blaming the publishers for using the ICEL-originated graphics.

The fact is that ICEL insisted that publishers use their graphics, in order to retain control over the printed output. Problems: (a) as noted, the ICEL graphics are not sufficiently legible; (b) they need cropping to be of any use at all; (c) they contain errors! (I'm not talking about the quirky way in which they have adapted clunky English to the Latin neumes, nor about the eccentric "blobby" style, but about actual typos). So, don't blame the publishers, blame ICEL.

Two American publishers have succeeded in circumventing ICEL's requirement, by re-engraving all the music — a huge task. Anyone who has tried to work with the ICEL music files will find that they have not used the Lyric tool for text underlay but the Expression tool for each phrase. Bizarre! Only an ignoramus could have espoused this modus operandi. What it means in practice is that you cannot change the font of the text underlay at the simple click of a mouse, because the underlay is not created in the conventional fashion. One publisher re-engraved all the music in order to make the text underlay accord with the font they were using for the rest of the Missal text. Bravo, but what a huge labour of love! The other did this because the ICEL output simply looks weird. But ICEL has still tried hard to lean on both of them to get their output to look identical to ICEL's own...

Apologies for this technical stuff. Please now return to commenting on the rest of the Missal. :D
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Southern Comfort wrote:Musicus comments at http://www.musicus.co.uk/blog — see the Sibelius 7 thread (my WordPress login does not seem to work there, so I am posting here as it seems of interest to this forum too) — that the ICEL music in the Missal is very small (especially in the Study Edition, which has now arrived for those who ordered it), and seems to be blaming the publishers for using the ICEL-originated graphics.

Yes, I do, don't I? Well, that's a mistake, and I have corrected it. I do know perfectly well that it is a requirement on ICEL's part.

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