nazard wrote:I'm fascinated to see how your ideas work out, CC. ... Keep up the good work!
Well, I will and thanks for the encouragement but my own viewpoint is that they won't work out really unless other people elsewhere agree with them and introduce them elsewhere.
nazard wrote:I have long felt that the verses of a psalm belong to the community and the antiphons to the choir.
Thank you for this statement, nazard! Much appreciated. Same goes to Nick Baty. This is the first day that I've experienced any verbal support for the idea coming from someone else.
nazard wrote:I can't try it out here because of our present priest's modus operandi.
And this is part of the whole problem: finding someone who sees value in committing resources to the mass propers for the benefit of the congregation. However, if the words of the proper psalms were actually published in the mass-produced mass sheets that my local parish imports (rather than just the antiphon), I'm sure it would change the singing options for the congregations of many parishes.
Yes, that's a good point. Although some service sheets don't help that much as, often, the editors have already made choices of prayers and readings on our behalf. Does anyone else produce A3 service sheets for the visually impaired? (Although I'm OT and the bear is lurking!)
Calum Cille wrote: my greater concern is missals and mass-produced mass sheets not containing the proper text of the offertory anyway.
The historians and liturgical scholars here will surely be able to tell those of us who are unaware whether or not the proper text for the offertorium is present in the Missale Romanum as promulgated by Paul VI or in its subsequent editions. Most definitely it has never been in any translations of this tome and hence not present in mass-produced disposable material.
The General Instruction (in its provisional form of 2002) intructs singing at this junture to be done in the manner of the entrance. ie, with texts (and arguably melodies) from the Graduale (Romanum, or Simplex) or from another approved collection. The antiphon in the Missal (if one is present for the offertorium) is to be recited if there is no singing . (GIRM 48 and 74)
From this one might be persuaded to take the position that whilst reciting the offertorium (if one is present in the Missale Romanum) is a licit practice, singing this text, should it differ from that in the Graduale would be as much liturgical abuse as singing "All that I am".
Calum Cille wrote: my greater concern is missals and mass-produced mass sheets not containing the proper text of the offertory anyway.
The historians and liturgical scholars here will surely be able to tell those of us who are unaware whether or not the proper text for the offertorium is present in the Missale Romanum as promulgated by Paul VI or in its subsequent editions.
Guess where I got the following text from.
The Roman Missal revised after the Second Vatican Council has retained the tradition, but omits the psalm verses as these are not required when the antiphons are recited rather than sung. The Graduale Romanum, revised after the implementation of both the revised Roman Missal and the new Roman Lectionary, not only retains the psalm verse for the Entrance Antiphon, but proposes a selection of psalm verses for use with an antiphon at the Communion procession; it also retains the Offertory antiphon, which was omitted from the Missal.
festivaltrumpet wrote:The General Instruction (in its provisional form of 2002) intructs singing at this junture to be done in the manner of the entrance. ie, with texts (and arguably melodies) from the Graduale (Romanum, or Simplex) or from another approved collection. The antiphon in the Missal (if one is present for the offertorium) is to be recited if there is no singing . (GIRM 48 and 74)
From this one might be persuaded to take the position that whilst reciting the offertorium (if one is present in the Missale Romanum) is a licit practice, singing this text, should it differ from that in the Graduale would be as much liturgical abuse as singing "All that I am".
Singing an offertory text would be liturgical abuse? New one on me.
