Vatican II hymnal

[gwyn]

This looks like it may be a usful resource.

http://www.ccwatershed.org/vatican/

Has anyone had the opportunity to thumb through a copy?

[johnquinn39]

Yes - what a load of rubbish!

[nazard]

I have just watched the video of sample pages, and have these thoughts.

1) I don't think the propers for England and Wales use the same translation as the USA, which if I am right, will limit its usefulness.

2) I get the impression that they have taken the easy option on recent popular hymns and omitted all of them. I think that is a way to upset too many people. It may be that all the hymn tunes they have selected are public domain.

3) They are inconsistent about the use of square notes or blobs on 5 line staves. I prefer square notes myself.

It looks like a book I would like to see more of before I come to an opinion of its value. If it is printed and bound to a reasonable quality, $15 is a very reasonable price. It looks to me as though they intend to print a melody line only version and put the harmonies on their website, which I commend as a helpful idea.

[nazard]

Yes - what a load of rubbish!

Where did you get your copy?

[johnquinn39]

I had a 'virtual' thumb through - I really do not see the point of printing this up - it's just a load of christian rap.

[NorthernTenor]

It's always interesting to hear your soberly considered opinion, John.

[NorthernTenor]

I don't think the propers for England and Wales use the same translation as the USA, which if I am right, will limit its usefulness.

There isn't an authorised translation for Introit, Offertorio or Communio.

[nazard]

I don't think the propers for England and Wales use the same translation as the USA, which if I am right, will limit its usefulness.

There isn't an authorised translation for Introit, Offertorio or Communio.

Are you referring to the Introit and Communion antiphon which are in missals, and presumably in the Lectionary, or the ones in the Graduale Romanum, which are often different?

[John Ainslie]

There isn't an authorised translation for Introit, Offertorio or Communio.

Texts in the Graduale that do not appear in the Missal had no easily accessible translation - or none at all in the case of the Offertoria.

It was precisely to remedy this deficiency that the Processional was compiled - and now has the blessing of the Department of Life and Worship of the Bishops' Conference of England and Wales, which, I would suggest, 'authorises' the non-Missal translations contained therein.

[NorthernTenor]

There isn't an authorised translation for Introit, Offertorio or Communio.

Texts in the Graduale that do not appear in the Missal had no easily accessible translation - or none at all in the case of the Offertoria.

It was precisely to remedy this deficiency that the Processional was compiled - and now has the blessing of the Department of Life and Worship of the Bishops' Conference of England and Wales, which, I would suggest, 'authorises' the non-Missal translations contained therein.

I understood the recommendation of the Processional as a constructive and useful (for once) initiative of that Office, John, not as an act that restricts other translations, in the sense that Rome has done so with the final authorisation of ICEL's translation of the Missal. We've already seen the disastrous results of the the Liturgy Office's vainglorious attempts to turn its thoughts on music in the liturgy into holy writ. I trust you're not suggesting something similar for the Processional.

[John Ainslie]

Not at all, NT.

By the way, the Processional was an initiative of the SSG, not of the Liturgy Office.

[NorthernTenor]

Then all credit to the SSG (and to you), John. It's an excellent initiative that encourages us to sing the Mass, rather than sing at Mass. I'm only sorry I can't commend the Liturgy Office (I've been trying, but so far have been limited to their patience and politeness).