What will you enter to on Sept 4th?

[quaeritor]

I know that many of you who post here are regularly further ahead in your preparations than I am so I guess you will by now know what your Entrance Song will be under the new regime. The good old GIRM tells us that

the options for the Entrance Chant are:(1) the antiphon and psalm from the Graduale Romanum or the Graduale Simplex or (2) a song from another collection of psalms and antiphons, the text of which has been approved by the Bishops Conference of England and Wales

and that the preferrred option for doing it is

alternately by the choir and the people

(sorry, Nick)

- so that means no "Here in this place" or "Lord we gather round thine altar" for a start, and in fact since there is no

collection of psalms and antiphons, the text of which has been approved by the Bishops Conference of England and Wales

nothing but the Graduale (Romanum or Simplex) which I for one am finding hard to find.

So, what are you all going to do on the day, then?

All suggestions welcome.

Q

[Nick Baty]

alternately by the choir and the people

(sorry, Nick)

Why apologise? 100% behind your there.

But why September 4? That's the date we're supposed to be introducing the assembly to singing the new texts of Gloria, Eucharistic Acclamations (apart from Liverpool Archdiocese where it's October 2). Nothing else shifts until the 1st Sunday of Advent. And your description of the gathering song is as it always has been – at least, as long as I've known it.

[NorthernTenor]

Iustus es Domine (Introit, Graduale Romanun, 23rd Sunday in Ordinary Time). Also available for free here if you don't have a GR to hand.

[mcb]

Graduale (Romanum [...]) which I for one am finding hard to find.

On line for free here.

[Southern Comfort]

Graduale (Romanum [...]) which I for one am finding hard to find.

On line for free here.

That's the Gregorian Missal. The Graduale itself is available here.

[mcb]

That's the Gregorian Missal. The Graduale itself is available here.

Yes, yes, but that's the Gradual for the Extraordinary Form. The Gregorian Missal has the chants from the Gradual for the Ordinary Form for Sundays and feast days, so it's rather more likely to be a helpful answer to the original post.

[quaeritor]

alternately by the choir and the people

(sorry, Nick)

Why apologise? 100% behind your there.

Sorry again, Nick - I must have been referring to the other Nick who wrote

Leave the singing to the primary singers – the assembly!

The choir (and also the cantor) are often singled out by the GIRM as the "primary singers".

But why September 4? That's the date we're supposed to be introducing the assembly to singing the new texts of Gloria, Eucharistic Acclamations (apart from Liverpool Archdiocese where it's October 2). Nothing else shifts until the 1st Sunday of Advent. And your description of the gathering song is as it always has been – at least, as long as I've known it.

Got me there - perhaps. I thought Sept 4 was everything except the Lectionary - but is the Entrance Song Lectionary or not? - I'm confused. I'd like to cling on to the Decree of Publication of the GIRM which says that it is

Effective immediately on publication

SC, MCB and NT gave references to the Graduale and the Gregorian Missal - for which thanks. I have them both, actually, but I can't work out what psalms or verses thereof they are calling for. That's just my unfamiliarity with the abbreviated references, I guess. However, are you all actually saying that you are going to be singing these, and in Latin? - I'd be delighted to be doing that, but despite my "traditional" leanings, even I would think that a little exclusive for the majority of the assembly. - Which bits do they sing?

Q

[mcb]

...the Graduale and the Gregorian Missal - for which thanks. I have them both, actually, but I can't work out what psalms or verses thereof they are calling for.

Ah - you need the Processional!

[Nick Baty]

Sorry again, Nick - I must have been referring to the other Nick who wrote

Leave the singing to the primary singers – the assembly!

From what I remember, that was in response to a question about what to do if the choir can't manage X,Y or Z. The assembly will always be the primary singers – after all, the choir is a part of the assembly.

Got me there - perhaps. I thought Sept 4 was everything except the Lectionary

Actually, I think it's everything except the collects. I just happen to know several dioceses are just introducing the people's parts from September and adding eucharistic prayers etc from Advent 1. The new Lectionary, as I understand it, is at least three years away.

[Nick Baty]

Ah - you need the Processional!

Or The Processional
Scroll down to bottom!

[quaeritor]

...the Graduale and the Gregorian Missal - for which thanks. I have them both, actually, but I can't work out what psalms or verses thereof they are calling for.

Ah - you need the Processional!

Got that too - working on the "tunes"!
But c'mon folks - what are you actually going to be singing on 4th Sept?

Q

[Nick Baty]

We'll be introducing a fourth setting of new text acclamations. As we don't have to use all the new texts until the 1st Sunday of Advent, we'll stick with the existing Glorias for now – we'll use the 2008 Lourdes Gloria (with new translation verses) to get us through Christmas and introduce a new one in January – although not on the Sunday after Christmas which, this year, is Mary, Mother of God.

[Southern Comfort]

Got me there - perhaps. I thought Sept 4 was everything except the Lectionary

Actually, I think it's everything except the collects. I just happen to know several dioceses are just introducing the people's parts from September and adding eucharistic prayers etc from Advent 1. The new Lectionary, as I understand it, is at least three years away.

This is not quite right. The Prefaces and Eucharistic Prayers come in at the same time as everything else, on 4 September. The collects, prayers over the gifts and after Communion, and the entrance and Communion antiphons are what is not coming in until Advent I.

It appears that the new Lectionary is at least five years away (not the next time we hit Year A but the time after that).

[Nick Baty]

The Prefaces and Eucharistic Prayers come in at the same time as everything else, on 4 September.

Except in Liverpool where it's 2nd October for some reason!

[quaeritor]

– we'll use the 2008 Lourdes Gloria (with new translation verses) to get us through Christmas

Glad you mentioned the Lourdes Gloria, Nick - I was on the point of starting a thread about it - I've figured out a way to point the new text to fit and was wondering how legitimate that would be. Strictly no copyright issue perhaps (all I need to do is mark the pointing in the text - but is it against the spirit of things? However, do you imply that there is now a published revision? - where can I find it? (Googling "Lourdes Gloria" is quite an interesting experience!)

And what is the 2008 version - I have it in some rather old copies of HON dated 1977

Q

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