Peter Jones' Coventry Gloria

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presbyter wrote:
Calum Cille wrote: Are parish priests being waged to compose and publish literary material already?

By a commercial publisher? No, they are not. ... Please do not confuse being waged/salaried/employed with receiving legitimate royalty payments - which are small sums of money.

Do you seriously think I'm confusing those, presbyter?
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Calum, I think the meaning of your rhetorical questions is clearer to you than to your readers! Me included.
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mcb wrote:Calum, I think the meaning of your rhetorical questions is clearer to you than to your readers! Me included.

Anyone else stuck?
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Calum Cille wrote:Do you seriously think I'm confusing those, presbyter?


No but some people might.

Canon Law wrote:Can. 286 Clerics are prohibited from conducting business or trade personally or through others, for their own advantage or that of others, except with the permission of legitimate ecclesiastical authority.
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presbyter wrote:
Calum Cille wrote:Do you seriously think I'm confusing those, presbyter?

No but some people might.

Canon Law wrote:Can. 286 Clerics are prohibited from conducting business or trade personally or through others, for their own advantage or that of others, except with the permission of legitimate ecclesiastical authority.

True enough.
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Canon Law wrote:Can. 286 Clerics are prohibited from conducting business or trade personally or through others, for their own advantage or that of others, except with the permission of legitimate ecclesiastical authority.


So the permission of legitimate ecclesiastical authority is presumably fairly easy to come by, at least if you are a Jesuit writing a book.
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I am informed that the subject work of this thread is in print and will be available to Summer School participants next Thursday (as one item in a new collection of music for the Mass). That's the SATB version. I understand that the version for Cantor and People will be appearing in two hymnal supplements soon.
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Ardderchog.

Diolch Tad.
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presbyter wrote: in a new collection of music for the Mass)

Might it be this one which is now available from Decani Music.
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That's the one - but the contents list (which was an early draft) is not quite accurate: the Farrell acclamations are not included.
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However, they are included in A Bernadette Farrell Songbook, also from Decani.
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Here is the full contents list of 'Glory to God'. The revised Coventry Glory to God is in the 'separate Glory to God settings' section towards the end.

A Parish Mass (Peter Jones)
Kyrie, eleison
Penitential Act with Invocations
Glory to God
Holy, Holy, Holy
We proclaim your Death
When we eat this Bread
Save us, Saviour of the world
Amen
Lamb of God

Belmont Mass (Christopher Walker)
Penitential Act with Invocations
Glory to God
Gospel Acclamation
Lenten Gospel Acclamation
Holy, Holy, Holy
We proclaim your Death
When we eat this Bread
Save us, Saviour of the world
Doxology and Amen
The Lord’s Prayer
Lamb of God

Mass of St Kenelm (Alan Smith)
Kyrie, eleison
Lord, have mercy
Glory to God
Holy, Holy, Holy
We proclaim your Death
When we eat this Bread
Save us, Saviour of the world
Amen
Lamb of God

Mass of St Luke (Mike Stanley)
Penitential Act
Glory to God
Gospel Acclamation
Lenten Gospel Acclamation
Holy, Holy, Holy
We proclaim your Death
When we eat this Bread
Save us, Saviour of the world
Doxology and Amen
Lamb of God

Pershore Mass (Alan Smith)
Lord, have mercy
Glory to God
Gospel Acclamation
Holy, Holy, Holy
We proclaim your Death
When we eat this Bread.
Save us, Saviour of the world
Doxology and Amen
Lamb of God

Sussex Mass (Stephen Dean)
Penitential Act
Glory to God 1 (through-composed)
Glory to God II (refrain)
Holy, Holy, Holy
We proclaim your Death
When we eat this Bread
Save us, Saviour of the world
Amen
Lamb of God

The Aston Eucharist (Peter Jones)
Holy, Holy, Holy
We proclaim your Death
When we eat this Bread
Save us, Saviour of the world
Amen

Brandon Acclamations (Stephen Dean)
Holy, Holy, Holy
We proclaim your Death
When we eat this Bread
Save us, Saviour of the world
Doxology and Amen

Earlsbury Acclamations (Peter Jones)
Holy, Holy, Holy
We proclaim your Death
When we eat this Bread
Save us, Saviour of the world
Amen

In Pace Acclamations (Christopher Walker)
Holy, Holy, Holy
We proclaim your Death
When we eat this Bread
Save us, Saviour of the world
Doxology and Amen

St Chad’s Acclamations (Peter Jones)
Holy, Holy, Holy
We proclaim your Death
When we eat this Bread.
Save us, Saviour of the world
Doxology and Amen

Spring Sanctus (Martin Barry)
Holy, Holy, Holy
We proclaim your Death
When we eat this Bread
Save us, Saviour of the world
Doxology and Amen

St Clare Acclamations (Nick Baty)
Holy, Holy, Holy
We proclaim your Death
When we eat this Bread
Save us, Saviour of the world
Doxology and Amen
Doxology and Amen (Missal chant)

Warrington Acclamations (Nick Baty)
Holy, Holy, Holy
We proclaim your Death
When we eat this Bread
Save us, Saviour of the world
Doxology and Amen

Lord, have mercy (Peter Jones)
Lord, have mercy (Alan Smith)

Glory to God (Peter Jones)
Glory to God (David Saint)
Glory to God (Peter Roberts)

Aston Gospel Acclamation (Peter Jones)
Aston Lenten Gospel Acclamation (Peter Jones)
Festal Gospel Acclamation (Alan Smith)
Gospel Acclamation (Peter Jones)
Resurrection Gospel Acclamation (Stephen Dean)
Saint Agatha Alleluia (Martin Barry)

Aston Lamb of God (Peter Jones)
In Pace Lamb of God (Christopher Walker)
Lamb of God (Martin Barry)
Lamb of God (Peter Jones)
St Joseph’s Lamb of God (Alan Smith)
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I see that the editors of this collection are of one mind with the recent reviewers of Nick Baty's music, in that the St Clare and Warrington Acclamations are worthy of wide distribution.
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presbyter wrote:I see that the editors of this collection are of one mind... that the St Clare and Warrington Acclamations are worthy of wide distribution.

The editors are to be commended for their excellent taste. However, the editors of another collection have suggested they might prefer the Bakhita Acclamations or Seanathair Acclamations. Of course, I wouldn't dream of suggesting that anyone click on the links to have a look! ;)
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I would have expected all the settings contained in the collection listed on the Liturgy Office website. For example, settings by Christopher Walker and Stephen Dean are listed but none by Peter Jones, not even the Coventry Gloria. I'm intrigued?

Is there any reliable news yet from the other major christian resources publisher who seem to be dragging their heels on the new translations. Are they going to ignore it completely for the time being and surrender this area of Catholic liturgy?
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