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When you first see your work trashed in print, one is tempted to have a queenie fit, pour the gin and turn up Diana Ross to full volume. But following the negative comments about my work on page 18 of the latest Music & Liturgy I can’t help but reply to one or two of the accusations.
• Par 4: The reviewers say the Holy of Warrington Acclamations has a tempo marking of dotted crotchet = 60 – correct. But they then say there is “no performance direction as whether this is intended as reflective music in a pastoral 6/8 or a jollier jig-like number”. :?
• Par 4: They say the Per Ipsum marking of “slightly slower than Holy” is followed “immediately” by poco accel – no it isn’t. There are eight bars between the two. If they are complaining that one direction is in English and the next in Italian, I would ask who would understand leggermente più lento di Santo.

Some comments are bizarre
• Par 3. The reviewers grumble that the memorial acclamations are attached to the tune of Holy. I would refer them to the Guide for Composers, 6C, par 30.
• Par 6. They comment on the "oddity" of the Amen ending on the same minor chord as the Holy – not quite sure why that’s odd (unless they would prefer something like the final bars of Mozart’s A Musical Joke K522). And they say that "the three preceding acclamations have ended on major chords". Of course, only one acclamation does as only one is used in any celebration.
• Par 4. They ask why the “Holy, Holy” (sic) is called “Holy”. OCP uses “Holy”, GIA uses “Holy, Holy, Holy”. There is no precedent, apart from the review for “Holy, Holy”.
• Par 7. They note that the Amen of Bakhita Acclamations ends on "a positive D major chord” and ask why this wasn't the case in the Warrington and St Clare Acclamations. One is tempted to be facetious and point out that the latter two are in E minor so a chord of D would sound a tad odd. However, the serious answer is that Bakhita is a completely different set of acclamations and one in which a chord of D features regularly. (Except when performed by a well-known musician in the south of England who has changed chunks of the accompaniment – but he's a kind chap so I have forgiven.) :wink:
• Par 7. They ask what is meant by Maestoso ma rimbalzante, translate it as "stately but bouncy" (I would say "majestic but bouncy") and then ask what it means. :shock:

One cannot argue with the points they raise about word setting etc – a worthwhile debate. And noone could not argue with their opinions on a piece’s usefulness (or otherwise) in parish liturgy. Tell me its crap, tell me noone should ever sing it, tell me it should be shredded. But if music is to be criticised for following the instructions of the Liturgy Office, for using standard terminology and on the basis of untruths, is there any point in others submitting future items?

So I won’t have the threatened queenie fit. I shall reposition my Norma Desmond shades and satisfy myself that the two people who asked for “tightened, sharper editing” misspelled "Bakhita" as "Bhakita" and turned the good sisters of Ty Mam Duw (Welsh for "House of the Mother of God") into Mam Duw ("Mother of God"), as well as moving them to the unknown town of Hawardens.

Another gin, please, Barbra. And pass me a Sobranie.
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Nick - it's all in the eye of the beholder! I didn't read the review as 'trashing' your work (and I have no issue with your dealing with the technical errors in the review) - it made me think that the items that I have not yet seen would be well worth a look!
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Thanks, Keitha. But I'm still having another gin! :D
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Perhaps in future reviews of new Mass settings to the new texts, our editors could you impress upon those commissioned to write
that the contents of the Liturgy Office Guide for Composers are required reading.

It seems most unfair, to me, that Nick's settings of the Memorial Acclamations are criticised for sharing melodic material
with the Sanctus when that is precisely the instruction composers are commanded to follow.
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I don't think I've seen these reviews ..but Mr Baty has just sent me one setting and I'll look at it in any case. If his assertions are correct then perhaps SSG needs to be remind itself that it seeks to encourage composers. This has been the premise that has heard me adopting the kindly teacher's stance towards some submissions at the composers forums. I do hope the reviewer appended his/her name ... when musical judgments are offered this is useful in forming an opinion of their possible worth.
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Phil, I have just picked up responsibility for co-ordinating the activities of the Composers' Group ('Composers' Forum') and I agree that we should be encouraging composers generally, and particularly those just starting out. Having said that, the editors of Music and Liturgy have to commission reviews from independent reviewers and I am sure that they would not wish to exert editorial control over what reviewers say about a piece of music (provided the views are honestly held and reasonably expressed). It's a difficult line to tread, and one that has been faced by editors and critics/reviewers for a very long time. It may be that the editors conclude that procedural changes are necessary in the light of the new situtation that has arisen with the introduction of the 'Panel' and the Guidelines, but they will, of course, need to avoid doing anything that would compromise the independence of reviewers.

In passing, I have not seen any 'anonymous' reviews in M&L. I think that authors of reviews are always identified.
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I am pleased that you have taken over the Composers Group. I did not recognise the names appended to the review in question as being any I had come across before. May be the reviewers are using pseudonyms? All reviews have a purpose but it is often only those by reviewers held in some esteem that gain any credance. I am presuming that the music reviewed will always be submitted for review by the composer or is anything in the ether 'up for grabs'?
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keitha wrote:... I am sure that they would not wish to exert editorial control over what reviewers say about a piece of music (provided the views are honestly held and reasonably expressed). It's a difficult line to tread ...

'Not wishing to exert editorial control', ie, carte-blanche, is not "a difficult line to tread" for the editor of any journal but a washing hands of responsibility. I have never liked mainstream critic culture and won't until their mind-set changes and I don't see that coming any time soon. Some of the examples above are ludicrously petty.
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HallamPhil wrote:I am presuming that the music reviewed will always be submitted for review by the composer or is anything in the ether 'up for grabs'?

Each issue of Music and Liturgy contains an invitation (on page 3) to submit items for review. Most submissions come from publishers. In addition, members of the editorial board will review, or commission others to review, works which, though they have not been submitted, are deemed to be sufficiently interesting and/or important (e.g. the review of Elaine Gould's Behind Bars in the current issue). By no means everything that is submitted gets reviewed. For example, music publishers occasionally submit choral works which are solely intended for concert performance and not for liturgical use.
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musicus wrote:(e.g. the review of Elaine Gould's Behind Bars in the current issue)


It will be interesting to see if this book eventually comes to rival Gardner Read's Music Notation: A Manual of Modern Practice (obtainable on Amazon) which is currently the industry standard, and has been used by most commercial music publishers for 40 years and more now.
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keitha wrote:I have just picked up responsibility for co-ordinating the activities of the Composers' Group ('Composers' Forum')

Have you just blown one your pseudonyms?
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When I registered on the Forum it was the first time I had ever registered on anything like this and didn't realise that my User Name would automatically become my pseudonym - I thought that a box would pop up for me to insert the name by which I wanted to be known - which would have been my own name, so this is not a problem for me. Indeed, I regularly meet people for the first time at liturgy events who greet me as "Hello, Keitha"!
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Well, with such a recognisable facepic...
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Having to stand on my hind legs all the time is a real pain.
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Nick Baty wrote:Have you just blown one your pseudonyms?

How many has he got?

(Don't answer that; it's OT)
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