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presbyter wrote:Hosanna, Hosanna, Hosanna in the highest,
Hosanna, Hosanna, Hosanna in the highest!
Holy, holy, holy Lord, Lord, God of hosts.
Heav'n and earth are full of your glory,
Hosanna in the highest!
Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord,
Hosanna, Hosanna, Hosanna in the highest,
Hosanna, Hosanna, Hosanna in the highest!


I'm sorry to go on about this - but how on earth can a composer begin a Sanctus with a Hosanna refrain? The seraphim are not singing Hosanna (Save us!) - they have no need of salvation. The Preface leads us to the song of the angels - Holy, Holy, Holy. In my opinion, the composer really does not understand the nature of the liturgical text.
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presbyter wrote:how on earth can a composer begin a Sanctus with a Hosanna refrain?

Where are you looking, P?
I can only see the sheet of excerpts which gives no clue about how the Sanctus begins.
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Nick Baty wrote:Where are you looking, P?


I am in possession of the published, printed score. I am not looking at the website.
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Nick Baty wrote:
presbyter wrote:how on earth can a composer begin a Sanctus with a Hosanna refrain?

Where are you looking, P?
I can only see the sheet of excerpts which gives no clue about how the Sanctus begins.

The beginning of the Sanctus is given on this sheet.
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presbyter wrote:Mind you, CTS have managed to publish both their Simple Prayer Book and similar size basic Missal with a small paragraph of the Roman Canon missing. Ha! Methinks they could not have put a proof beneath the gaze of Dr McFarland ;)

Sometimes we strain at gnats and swallow camels. Not real gnats and camels, just in case anyone doesn't catch my drift. :wink:
presbyter wrote:I'm sorry to go on about this - but how on earth can a composer begin a Sanctus with a Hosanna refrain? The seraphim are not singing Hosanna (Save us!) - they have no need of salvation. The Preface leads us to the song of the angels - Holy, Holy, Holy. In my opinion, the composer really does not understand the nature of the liturgical text.

Sorry not to be serious. By the time 'hosanna' was sung at our Lord's entry into Jerusalem, the use of the term at Sukkoth was already a joyful acclamation rather than a vexed petition. At this point in the mass, we may already have sung, "Glory to God in the highest," and understand "the highest" to be "the highest heavens". Wouldn't the use of the term "the highest" here indicate that the angels are singing it too? "Heaven AND earth are full of your glory," so we sing their angelic 'agios' and they sing our human 'hosanna'.

It wouldn't be my taste either to start a sanctus with the word hosanna. If it ever occurred to me to use this set, I'd just drop the opening hosanna, hosanna, hosanna sequence and start at the holy, holy, holy.
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mcb wrote:
Nick Baty wrote:The beginning of the Sanctus is given on this sheet.

That's the one I was referring to which doesn't tell us that's the beginning.
However, if dear Presbyter is looking at the score....
The bishops should be shot from an old canon!
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Nick Baty wrote:The bishops should be shot from an old canon!


No, no, no........ only one Bishop and I do not know which one.
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Apologies. I meant "the bishop" – singular!
After all, how many bishops can you get into a canon?
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Nick Baty wrote:After all, how many bishops can you get into a canon?

The Pope and the local ordinary? :wink: Sorry, couldn't resist it ...
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At 26 pages, is this the longest thread on this forum?
Can you advise, Mr Bear?
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Nick Baty wrote:Apologies. I meant "the bishop" – singular!
After all, how many bishops can you get into a canon?

:oops:
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A point of information.

If anyone uses portions of the Missal chants (e.g. Doxology / Mystery of Faith introduction ) in their settings awaiting publication, the ICEL copyright notice should read:

Excerpts from the English translation and chants of The Roman Missal © 2010, International Commission on English in the Liturgy Corporation. All rights reserved.
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presbyter wrote:This is a non-panel decision - illustrating what has happened in a part of Scotland. The publisher is in Scotland, so no need to submit to the England and Wales panel. The publisher is Rose-Conlon Music: http://www.RoseConlonMusic.co.uk

I refer to the Cille Choirill Mass by Peter Rose.


I can't see this anywhere on this website. Am I missing something?
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Southern Comfort wrote:
presbyter wrote:This is a non-panel decision - illustrating what has happened in a part of Scotland. The publisher is in Scotland, so no need to submit to the England and Wales panel. The publisher is Rose-Conlon Music: http://www.RoseConlonMusic.co.uk

I refer to the Cille Choirill Mass by Peter Rose.


I can't see this anywhere on this website. Am I missing something?


Ah, it's listed underThe Peace of God and The Cille Choirill Mass, not under C for Cille Choirill. Found it now.
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Nick Baty wrote:At 26 pages, is this the longest thread on this forum?
Can you advise, Mr Bear?

With over 6000 replies, I think it must be, by quite some margin. (Trawling back through all the threads would be a great way to put off starting work today, but I will resist!)
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