Eastern Promise wrote:Some people can "teach" chant in a way that can put people off for life. Patricia Carroll is obviously one of these geniuses. She is my hero! This is how the revolution will succeed.
Oh sorry - didn't mean to be disrespectful. She's obviously the bee's knees. Do you think it is her who dispenses the permission for the new settings in Scotland? Is she the tartan Martin Foster? Or is it someone else?
Eastern Promise wrote:Oh sorry - didn't mean to be disrespectful. She's obviously the bee's knees. Do you think it is her who dispenses the permission for the new settings in Scotland? Is she the tartan Martin Foster? Or is it someone else?
Pastoral Resources Episcopal Delegate: Patricia Carroll MCL, MA, DPT, B.Ed. Patricia is the newly appointed delegate for Pastoral Resources ... Patricia is available to support parishes and also offer resources in the following areas Parish Pastoral Councils Developing Parish Clusters Adult Faith Formation Catechists Training Children's Liturgy Spirituality Parish Retreats Formation for Eucharistic Ministers and Readers Parish Consultancy and Advice
On an earlier thread somewhere we were discussing the need to change the name of our society since the majority aren't too keen on 'gregorian' chant. If that course of action is approved, what about changing our motto above too? What about;
'Not shouting, but Dissent whines incessantly in God's ear"?
But it would have to be in Latin. Does anyone have the linguistic skills to translate? Then we should get one of our composers or CJM to set it to music. I'd pay good money for that.
Then the site goes on to suggest some new settings by those connected with the site. Entrepreneurs, obviously. Respect. We should similarly stop beating about the bush and start promoting some our great English Catholic composers. The Scots have no scruples, and good for them. I hear great things about the liturgy up there.
Not throughout Scotland apparently. I've had clarification on 'the new musical setting to be used in all parishes'. It's the Mass of Resurrection by Randall DeBruynion (American composer?). It is to be the mass used at Diocesan events and all parishes are encouraged to learn it. But other settings can also be used, which is the good news. The less good news is that, as things stand at present, the Deanery workshops (only one per deanery) will focus entirely on the Mass of Resurrection; other settings will not be introduced in the workshops.
Calum Cille wrote:Pastoral Resources Episcopal Delegate: Patricia Carroll MCL, MA, DPT, B.Ed. Patricia is the newly appointed delegate for Pastoral Resources ... Patricia is available to support parishes and also offer resources in the following areas Parish Pastoral Councils Developing Parish Clusters Adult Faith Formation Catechists Training Children's Liturgy Spirituality Parish Retreats Formation for Eucharistic Ministers and Readers Parish Consultancy and Advice
So the Mass of Resurrection is to be used in all parishes throughout Scotland? Or are you referring to a particular diocese? Who decides this? And why weren't we consulted?
Calum Cille wrote:Pastoral Resources Episcopal Delegate: Patricia Carroll MCL, MA, DPT, B.Ed. Patricia is the newly appointed delegate for Pastoral Resources ... Patricia is available to support parishes and also offer resources in the following areas Parish Pastoral Councils Developing Parish Clusters Adult Faith Formation Catechists Training Children's Liturgy Spirituality Parish Retreats Formation for Eucharistic Ministers and Readers Parish Consultancy and Advice
Sour grapes, Presbyter? At one time these responsibilities would have belonged to the clergy, but now belong to left-wing ex-nuns like me.
What I meant to say - Sour grapes, Presbyther? At one time these powers would have been the sole gift of the clergy. Now they belong to left-wing ex-nuns like me.
So the Mass of Resurrection is to be used in all parishes throughout Scotland? Or are you referring to a particular diocese? Who decides this? And why weren't we consulted?
Eastern Promise wrote:Mmm. Impressive. Do you think she is an ex-nun?
On an earlier thread somewhere we were discussing the need to change the name of our society since the majority aren't too keen on 'gregorian' chant. If that course of action is approved, what about changing our motto above too? What about;
'Not shouting, but Dissent whines incessantly in God's ear"?
But it would have to be in Latin. Does anyone have the linguistic skills to translate? Then we should get one of our composers or CJM to set it to music. I'd pay good money for that.
Eastern Promise, your unrelenting sarcasm contributes nothing to this forum. No-one but you was discussing the need to change the name of our society, nor is it the case that the majority [of SSG members?] isn't too keen on Gregorian chant. This is flaming and trolling, and contravenes forum rule #1. Either desist or be banned.
OK . To stop the speculation it's Dumfries and Galloway. All parishes are being asked to learn the Mass of Resurrection for the next three Diocesan events, Bishop's 50th Anniversary Mass at the beginning of October, the Diocesan Mass for the Dead at the beginning of November, and the Mass of Chrism in March next year. The Mass includes the Kyrie, Lamb of God, Alleluia before the gospel and Great Amen at the Doxology - texts unchanged by the new translation so not requiring new music. Even if we were able to introduce the Mass of Resurrection on the 4th September (as far as I am aware Scotland has not been given permission to use the new music before then) it seems unlikely that our parishioners would know the mass well enough to sing it by the beginning of October, after hearing it just five times, each at interval of one week! My impression of the Mass of Resurrection is that, although good, it is not music which will be learnt quickly by a congregation. In a small parish like mine which doesn't have choirs at any of the Sunday masses, I would have preferred a much simpler start to get us going quickly with the new text (other music could follow maybe after Christmas). It seems to me that the good of the Diocese is being placed above the good of the parish.
