Missal Chant Setting of Kyrie Eleison / Lord Have Mercy

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Re: Missal Chant Setting of Kyrie Eleison / Lord Have Mercy

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presbyter wrote:If anyone is beginning to wonder what it is we are discussing, try this example from Spain - complete with drone but not quite organum.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkpFB6urAEE

[Slightly OT] That is rather fine. Quite apart from any light that it might shed on our current debate, I do find it rather moving that we can so easily read some of these medieval manuscripts. And, as for the scrolling notation, that must be Sibelius 1 (c1450), surely?
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Re: Missal Chant Setting of Kyrie Eleison / Lord Have Mercy

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alan29 wrote:Wasn't troping one of the things that were tidied up at Trent?


I believe so, Alan. But you'll have to wait a while before I can look this up.
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Re: Missal Chant Setting of Kyrie Eleison / Lord Have Mercy

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The 16th century Council of Trent's abolition of such insertions was, of course, total which is one of the things that makes the wording of the General Instruction on the Roman Missal worth drawing attention to. I don't know anything about the reasoning behind the innovation of the restrictive focus on the Son in the tropes of penitential rite C nor have I met with such a focus in other traditional rites. I'd be very interested to know whether or not traditional alternatives such as Orbis factor would be permitted and what the opinion on this forum would be.

The Winchester troper contains the words of certain traditional prosulae and tropi. A glance at these quickly confirms that the tradition does not present us with a simplistic pattern of Kyrie-Father Christe-Son Kyrie-Spirit.
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