PANEL decisions

[gwyn]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did I hear a
"Holy, holy, holy Lord,
Lord God of hosts"
in Liam Lawton's Sanctus?

Does that meet with the approval of the Gang of Five?

[presbyter]

Does that meet with the approval of the Gang of Five?

It doesn't have to meet with their approval. It's a GIA octavo that has been through the USA panel and therefore can be sold here, as a single item, without going through the BCEW panel.
It will only need to go through our panel if a publisher wishes to print and publish it here - either as a single item (unlikely) or as a part of a collection.
It would be interesting to see how our panel would react to the setting though.

[presbyter]

Holy, Holy, Holy Lord,
Lord God of hosts

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The preview .pdf on the GIA site does indeed have this text, punctuated as above. To me, this treatment exhibits little understanding of the Scriptural and theological underpinniing of the liturgical text and if I were a panel member, I would give it a "withheld". But then, I'm not a panel member.

[HallamPhil]

... And LL is a lecturer in liturgy, apparently

[Southern Comfort]

The BCEW panel and the US Bishops' panel cannot suppress diversity of style, let alone make assessments based on panel members' personal tastes. Yet they can ensure the music serves the new texts.

Notable among the settings that are approved in the US is (a) how much repetition is allowed (a lot), and (b) how much longer some of the Gloria refrains are, with much repetition, than ours seem to be allowed to be. It is clear that decisions on how the music sets the text are left up to the composer and publisher and are not stipulated by their approval panel (if indeed they actually have one).

I say again, it's not a level playing field.

[presbyter]

I say again, it's not a level playing field.

Are there panels operating independently of ours in Ireland and Scotland? (All other English-speaking Bishops Conferences?)

[presbyter]

Australia seems to be going beyond an "accepted" status to one of "recommended".

http://www.catholic.org.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1829&Itemid=403

New Zealand opts for "approval" status

http://www.catholic.org.nz/ms/fx-view-article.cfm?loadref=11&pid=C9F2B42F-B3C8-569A-74B5BAAD927FF5F1&id=127

I don't see any music lists on the Irish Bishops' liturgy website.

[presbyter]

Canada is promoting Celebrate in Song with an official status given to the ICEL chants and three settings by Canadian composers: Geoffrey Angeles, John Dawson and Michel Guimont.

Something tells me that NT will not like this one:

http://www.cccbpublications.ca/site/images/stories/audios/2-Holy_Holy.mp3

[musicus]

Quite possibly. Then again, why would anyone like it? It is dreadful in so many ways.

[johnquinn39]

I think that this will appeal to catholic teachers.

Perhaps going off-topic - what do people think of this one?


http://www.benesonarium.com/roman-missal/

[NorthernTenor]

Canada is promoting Celebrate in Song with an official status given to the ICEL chants and three settings by Canadian composers: Geoffrey Angeles, John Dawson and Michel Guimont.

Something tells me that NT will not like this one:

http://www.cccbpublications.ca/site/images/stories/audios/2-Holy_Holy.mp3

Isn't the Canadian Conference the one that can't conceive of liturgical music that isn't suited to guitar strumming?

[presbyter]

Isn't the Canadian Conference the one that can't conceive of liturgical music that isn't suited to guitar strumming?

Oh my goodness me - you could be right there NT

Compositions must be submitted in the form of a lead sheet (melody and chords) with the text and tempo markings. It would also be helpful, if possible, to include a recorded version of the music.

Somewhat narrower than our own panel then.

[Nick Baty]

Quite possibly. Then again, why would anyone like it? It is dreadful in so many ways.

I certainly don't like it and I'm not sure it serves the words very well.
But I'm not qualified to comment on whether the piece is good or bad.
Who is?
How do we make such decisions?

Perhaps going off-topic - what do people think of this one?
http://www.benesonarium.com/roman-missal/

Totally scrumptious – the sort of thing I love.
But I couldn't imagine our congregation singing it. Could yours?
And, if not, despite it's delicious sound, does that make it bad?

So many questions!
So little time!

[quaeritor]

- what do people think of this one?


http://www.benesonarium.com/roman-missal/

Great!

Q

[quaeritor]

Totally scrumptious – the sort of thing I love.

Nick slipped that in while I was logging in - I take the point about the congregation coping; I'm looking forward to finding out how the version for organ, choir, and congregation works. That might be the way to introduce it.

Q