St Patrick's Day Celebrations

[HallamPhil]

Today before a full Cathedral the lone piper piped folk out to 'Scotland the brave'. Need I say more?

[Calum Cille]

Yes, he should have been playing Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau.

[NorthernTenor]

Yes, he should have been playing Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau.

My hen laid a haddock?

[gwyn]

Today before a full Cathedral the lone piper piped folk out to 'Scotland the brave'. Need I say more?

Some fora have an emoticon depicting a man banging his head repeatedly against a wall. Can we have one please, Mr. Admin?

[Calum Cille]

The syllables of the enechemata for the seven modes of English national music.

no é a né a gi - G mode plagal
no é a nó a gi - F mode barys
no é a gi - F mode plagal
nè a gi nó i a - A mode
na gi a nó i a - G mode authentic
no u é nó è a - C mode
no é a gi - F mode authentic

Scottish trope on a certain paraliturgical anthem for all those interested in the religious rights of the monarch. Apologies in advance for any offence to non-republicans and people of Teutonic ancestry or culture (which will be most people on this forum)!

Prods gave you a German queen
Scots, live your Tory dream
God made you free
Sell her Balmoral lot
Sack this Saxe-Coburg Goth
Launch her Hanover yacht
God made you free

PS Scotia was the ancient name for Ireland and some have theorised that St Patrick came from Strathclyde!

PPS Hopefully this isn't any more racially offensive than the immortal words,

"May he sedition hush, and like a torrent rush, Rebellious Scots to crush, God save the King."

[nazard]

Is there anywhere on the west coast of Brittany, England, Wales or Scotland that does not claim to be the birthplace of St Patrick? Just outside Cemaes on Anglesey (Ynys Môn if you prefer) is a tiny hamlet actually called Llanbadrig. Did anywhere else go as far as that to attract the tourists?

[Calum Cille]

Just outside Cemaes on Anglesey (Ynys Môn if you prefer) is a tiny hamlet actually called Llanbadrig. Did anywhere else go as far as that to attract the tourists?

Yes, Kilpatrick in Dunbartonshire and Portpatrick in Wigtonshire. Fordoun even claims the burial place of Palladius. Mind you, with all those relics translating about ...

[JW]

Having an Irish mother myself, I can't understand all the hype (and didn't go to Mass yesterday - as no one had asked me - so avoided having to play that hymn - they sing so well without an organ when they want to).

It's only a feast - on a par in our diocese with St Edward the Confessor.

Do English ex-pats get all misty-eyed about St George and go about wearing roses on 23rd April? I think not! (Except it'll be 2nd May this year).

[HallamPhil]

I had a message from one John Bell this morning explaining that 'scotland the brave' might in fact be appropriate given that St P may have been born not far from the Clyde. Apparently they were playing the same tune in Washington DC where he currently finds himself!

[quaeritor]

St Patrick's in Washington DC now?

I'm losing my grip on this thread.

Q

[HallamPhil]

Yes and apparently in a DC charity shop!

[JW]

Having played 'Hail Glorious St Patrick' today (see earlier post), I was struck by the fact that, in HON, there is a chorus On Erin's green valleys. When I was a lot younger, the last two lines of each verse were repeated. And a 90 year old Irish lady confirmed to me that this was the practice where she was brought up. Oh, and we have an infidel throng instead of a heretic throng, much to my embarassment.

Does anyone know when and why these changes were made?

[JW]

By the way, there's a Guinness World Record attempt for the largest number of people celebrating St Patrick's Day in the pubs throughout the country this evening. Pity they never counted the numbers in church 100 years ago!

[Southern Comfort]

Having played 'Hail Glorious St Patrick' today (see earlier post), I was struck by the fact that, in HON, there is a chorus On Erin's green valleys. When I was a lot younger, the last two lines of each verse were repeated. And a 90 year old Irish lady confirmed to me that this was the practice where she was brought up. Oh, and we have an infidel throng instead of a heretic throng, much to my embarassment.

Does anyone know when and why these changes were made?

This happened when I was growing up too, in south west London in the 1950s. I always assumed it was purely due to sentimentality....

[John Ainslie]

Having played 'Hail Glorious St Patrick' today (see earlier post), I was struck by the fact that, in HON, there is a chorus On Erin's green valleys. When I was a lot younger, the last two lines of each verse were repeated. And a 90 year old Irish lady confirmed to me that this was the practice where she was brought up. Oh, and we have an infidel throng instead of a heretic throng, much to my embarassment.

Does anyone know when and why these changes were made?

In the 1912 Westminster Hymnal it's 'heretic throng', and in the new edition of 1939 'infidel throng', with an obelus to indicate that the editing Committee had made the alteration. Incidentally, the tune given in the 1912 hymnal is not the one we are all familiar with but a much better Irish folk tune.

As for repeating 'On Erin's green valleys', the versions in the current hymnals is what I remember singing at my Christian Brothers of Ireland school in the 1950s, i.e. 'On Erin's green valleys (x3) look down in your love' after each verse. That is until an English convert to Catholicism arrived as music master and opened our eyes to St Patrick's Breastplate ('I bind unto myself today'). I don't think the brothers ever forgave him.