The New Texts: A Seminar for Composers

[HallamPhil]

Am I missing something or are we still waiting for an official text to be approved for use within our Conference? Is not much of this mere conjecture however reasonably informed by the US Conference and insider knowledge of our own. If I am incorrect where is the text posted?

[presbyter]

Of course we are not free to do what we like, but equally publishers may publish a multi-use setting, aimed at two different denominations simultaneously....

Could this not pave the way for the Bishops asking a publisher (or publishers) to produce an officially approved Catholic song book? Would anyone really want to go down that route?

[HallamPhil]

I for one would not wish to go down that route, presbyter.

Referring to an earlier post, I don't know what Peter Jones would think but God has informed me that she finds through-composed Glorias much more interesting and is currently preparing a statement to that effect for her people.

[presbyter]

Peter Jones has indeed written a through-setting and hopes it will receive divine approval.

[Nick Baty]

Phew! Busy on here tonight!
I'm wondering about joining the Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham.
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/breakin ... dinariate/
Given that they can preserve much of their tradition, will they continue with the existing translation?

[musicus]

Peter Jones has indeed written a through-setting and hopes it will receive divine approval.

But will "divine approval" trump "committee approval" - or is it vice versa?

[Nick Baty]

And does Presbyter have Peter Jones chained up somewhere?

[HallamPhil]

Divine? There you have it, the secret's out ... a chocolate manufacturer has infiltrated the central committee!

[presbyter]

And does Presbyter have Peter Jones chained up somewhere?

No but I was sent a copy of the new Gloria for comment - along with a couple of other members of this forum.

[Nick Baty]

Peter Jones sent you a couple of members of this forum?

[musicus]

I'm glad we cleared that up.

Let us now get back to the topic.

[Nick Baty]

I also happen to know that Peter has composed some Eucharistic Acclamations and one of the "Mystery of Faith" texts is presently set verbatim:
When we eat this Bread
and drink this Cup,
we proclaim your death, O Lord,
until you come again.

And there are quite a few settings around where "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord" is transposed to "Blessed is he who comes in the Lord's name". Can we presume this practice is now proscribed?

[docmattc]

Of course we are not free to do what we like, but equally publishers may publish a multi-use setting, aimed at two different denominations simultaneously....

Could this not pave the way for the Bishops asking a publisher (or publishers) to produce an officially approved Catholic song book? Would anyone really want to go down that route?

This is probably what Liturgiam Authenticam was asking for when it wanted Bishop's conferences to

"provide for the publication of a directory or repertory of texts intended for liturgical singing. This document shall be transmitted for the necessary recognitio to the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments"

When hymnbooks require an imprimatur, an 'officially approved book' is axactly what we'll have.

I suspect that Rome would find the possibility of using any book which contained material unsuitable or not approved for Catholic use to be unacceptable. Its role is to preserve the purity of the faith and of the Rite (even if it some may think its being over zealous in doing so) and probably doesn't give two hoots about the economic reality of producing a product with as wide a market as possible.

[presbyter]

Peter Jones sent you a couple of members of this forum?

LOL - my logic and language not so good after my bed time.

Just to let PI know that we sang two-thirds of the Gathering Mass here this morning and enjoyed the Hosannas and the refrain Gloria.

[Nick Baty]

This is probably what Liturgiam Authenticam was asking for [an officially approved Catholic song book] when it wanted Bishop's conferences to "provide for the publication of a directory or repertory of texts intended for liturgical singing. This document shall be transmitted for the necessary recognitio to the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments"

I might have completely misunderstood this, but I thought the intention was to produce exactly that, "texts", eg Psalm 94 as a Gathering Song, without actually defining the musical setting. Didn't we have a discussion on this under Core Repertoire?