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presbyter wrote:http://press.catholica.va/news_services/bulletin/news/25926.php?index=25926&lang=en

just in case you might be wondering about the Italian word for Helicopter :wink:

They've translated "helicopter" OK, but why haven't they translated the place names? My dictionary gives "Londra" and "Edimburgo" (both feminine) as the Italian names for the English and Scottish capitals. After all, we refer in English to "Rome" and "Naples" (except in a song my father used to sing to the tune Santa Lucia: "In Roma e Napoli they sing so happily..."!).
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I wonder what the Italians might think about the Pope going to a "Drawing Room". Is he going to do a quick sketch?
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I have just picked up from church on return from holiday, the Magnificat booklet of Liturgies and Events. I see that the Kyrie at the Beatification Mass is to be "Orbis Factor". It is printed in 3-fold version, marked "cantor, then all" Does this simply mean, as I am used to, the cantor singing "Kyrie" and the assembly coming in at "eleison", or that the cantor will sing "Kyrie eleison" (etc) and the assembly repeat? I am planning to use this in my parish that day, together with some of the hymns.

I see that Viscount are supplying a meerkat for the occasion. Anyone know more.......?
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Hare wrote:I have just picked up from church on return from holiday, the Magnificat booklet of Liturgies and Events. I see that the Kyrie at the Beatification Mass is to be "Orbis Factor". It is printed in 3-fold version, marked "cantor, then all" Does this simply mean, as I am used to, the cantor singing "Kyrie" and the assembly coming in at "eleison", or that the cantor will sing "Kyrie eleison" (etc) and the assembly repeat?


I am informed that it's the latter.

Hare wrote:I see that Viscount are supplying a meerkat for the occasion. Anyone know more.......?


http://www.viscountorgans.net/product_c ... index.html

I understand it's one of these - drawstop variety - 3 manuals.
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Have a look at your "Magnificat" Missal this weekend - especially if you are going to Cofton Park

I know that the Director of Music is prone to eccentricity but I never thought he would ask those singing Credo III to make a somewhat triumphalist(?) shift from being "in C" (as it were) to being "in D" at "Et unam sanctam catholicam et apostolicam Ecclesiam......." :roll:
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Does this mean that Credo III is being sung at Cofton Park?
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VML wrote:Does this mean that Credo III is being sung at Cofton Park?


In giddy bitonality, it appears.
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I am not able to be there. I have tried to persuade our PP and choir over the last few years that it would be good to keep occasional use of plainsong standard items like this and Pater Noster in use, precisely because they are used at large international gatherings. I cannot get any interest or approval. We did sing the Credo a few times some years ago, but not recently. Had I known that it was being used this time, I would have made a louder noise. But at this late stage, when all those who helped plan this season's music are going to the Beatification, but have shown no interest in the music, it's a bit late.
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I posted a link to the full music list for the Beatification Mass on this forum, in this topic, back in May. Here it is again: http://www.abcm.org.uk/Beatification/Be ... music.html

(For the record, this full list - which should not be confused with the subset of it on ABCM's page of choral practice m3s - was approved 100% by Msg Marini on his visit to the UK recently. It is my understanding that at no time has "Rome" required any changes to the Archdiocese of Birmingham's proposals for the music.)
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For those using "Magnificat" to follow the Beatification, do not miss the Christmas overtone that has somehow appeared in "Church of God, elect and glorious". The Director of Music, I understand, is tempted to add an especially composed Coda to the tune so that the new text has a tune. :shock:
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Musicus, I am so sorry. Yes, I remember, you did post the list, and I read it at the time. Thank you. I obviously was not paying attention.
Please do you know which tune is being sung for 'Firmly I believe and truly?' Here we sing Stuttgart, rather than Omni Dei which seems to me to have the wrong emphases.
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VML wrote:Please do you know which tune is being sung for 'Firmly I believe and truly?' Here we sing Stuttgart..


A parishioner's choir book I have seen indicates that Stuttgart is the tune of choice..... as indeed it was in 1982 for the Coventry visit.
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I was there!! I don't actually remember all that was sung: eight sleep deprived children took some of my concentration... I do remember the splendid Gloria and Sanctus that were trailed,(IIRC,) on, of all things, Woman's Hour. And not realising there would be water on site, we carried loads of it, and left the binoculars behind.
Soul of my Saviour was the one really well known hymn I recall.
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presbyter wrote:A parishioner's choir book I have seen indicates that Stuttgart is the tune of choice..... as indeed it was in 1982 for the Coventry visit.

Isn't it about time for a change? People will think it's the only hymn we know! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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musicus wrote:Isn't it about time for a change? People will think it's the only hymn we know! :lol: :lol: :lol:


You mean that if this celebration wasn't anything to do with Newman, we would still have been singing Praise to the Holiest and Firmly I believe?
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